TWEET. Well, it goes back to the end of the Civil War and how was that major psychic break in our country’s history managed after the war was over? Sway is a production of New York Times Opinion. And he later gave a sermon in which he spoke about what he had experienced and learned there. So now, caste is a term that American scholars have been using for years to describe how power operates in America. And there’s no way to celebrate it if you were possibly — if you were an acolyte of Hitler. You don’t expect that. Study it, whatever you want. And we know that after that, she passed away. There were signs when white Trump supporters, who say they voted for Barack Obama, this is pushing against the self-interest of their dominant caste status, and then in this election, more Black Americans who voted for Trump. That is what happened when slavery was created. It’s a show about power. It is right there, and it doesn’t even need to have a sign because people know what it’s there. It was determined on the basis solely of what he looked like, what that signifier and cue said to the security guard as to where he belonged. And what’s interesting about it is, I have a lot of Southern relatives, and they keep saying, Kara, well, it’s history. Some viciously attacked police officers. This is in India. Dominion Voting Systems has filed a $1.3 Billion defamation suit against former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell. Last week, the Capitol was a crime scene. “Sway” is a new interview show hosted by Kara Swisher, “Silicon Valley’s most feared and well liked journalist.” Now taking on Washington, Hollywood and the world, Kara investigates power: who has it, who’s been denied it, and who dares to defy it. Well, not having an idea has consequences. But do you see signs of it, as the building inspector of the house of America, which is pretty creaky right now, do you see signs that there is an ability to push back this system? That Doesn’t Change Overnight. That’s the manager that I’m there to interview. And instead you have to process and wonder —. I was all ready to interview him. We do not want to forget. Sway is a production of New York Times Opinion. It just hasn’t made it into the mainstream of dialogue. Well, caste meaning the artificial, arbitrary graded ranking of human value in a society, an infrastructure of division, they did create that. They were able to trample the barricades. And so they were fascinated by this apportioning of fractions of, quote, unquote, “blood” to make up or to determine what a person’s race, quote, unquote, “race,” would be. And I can see and visualize some of the same out of control, almost primordial, existential response to existential threat that I see in the rampage that we saw on Jan. 6. And the really foundational structure of our country was slavery. Anyway, your book is wonderful. On the "Sway" podcast, Kara Swisher talks with the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and historian Isabel Wilkerson about the raid at the U.S. Capitol, and why a rush to move on would be a mistake. He didn’t see how it was that the people there who were then known as untouchables could see him as one of them. Big fan of Kara, she is one of the best interviewers in the business. We want people to know the history. There continues to be displaying Confederate flags. It’s shocking —. Similar to Kamala Harris & Joes Biden's dismissive attitude to those who don't agree with them. Mr, Cranston, thank you so much for doing this. And so we still live out the ancient struggles and tensions of previous generations because we have never truly dealt with them in the ways that they really need to be. What is more important than one’s very life? And he said, you don’t have anything with The New York Times on it? It’s produced by Nayeema Raza, Heba Elorbany, Matt Kwong, and Vishakha Darbha, edited by Paula Szuchman, with original music by Isaac Jones, mixing by Erick Gomez, and fact-checking by Kate Sinclair. What did they learn from Americans? It didn’t matter what his education was. He asked me to leave because The New York Times would be there any minute. She was not getting the treatment that she required. nytimes.com — By Kara Swisher Listen and subscribe to “Sway”: Apple Podcasts, Pocket Casts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher (How To Listen) At the inauguration on Wednesday, Kamala Harris became vice president — the nation’s first Black person, the first Asian person and the first woman to do so — and President Biden spoke of “a cry for racial justice some 400 years in the making,” adding … And as he and Vice President Kamala Harris start their term, it might be tempting to say, let’s put the past behind us. We are living this right now. So why is that a debate? And she was not given the pain medications that she required. As we’re moving into the next year, and now we have a Black female vice President with Kamala Harris, some people used to say that America, we’re post-racial and doesn’t have a caste system. Sway By New York Times Opinion. America’s Caste System Is 400 Years Old. It’s everything. There was a heartbreaking case over the holidays in which a Black woman, who was a physician, who had COVID was in the hospital. Chief executive John Matze calls his social media platform a “neutral town square.” Kara Swisher disag… Described by Newsweek as Silicon Valley's "most powerful tech journalist", she is an opinion writer for The New York Times, a contributing editor at New York, the host of the podcast Sway, and the co-host of the podcast Pivot. [LAUGHTER] I take the position of someone who is deeply steeped in the history that I have studied. If you’re in a podcast app already, you know how to subscribe to a podcast. The day after the first photo leaked, a second — more formal — digital exclusive cover was also released.Ms. [LAUGHTER] [MUSIC PLAYING] Ever. Duration: 04:45 4 days ago. But they resolved not to allow that to continue there, not keeping the history, because you need to keep the history. I’ll tell you right now. It has affected me in the sense that, as I go through the world, I can never know when this will rear itself. He said, do you have some ID? Power, unpacked. Now, I get you don’t want to be the surgeon. And I said, well, I made the arrangement and we talked on the phone and we made the arrangement for a 4:30 appointment, and here I am. They could not drink from the same wells. We have had laws, which are necessary, absolutely necessary. At the time you didn’t have an answer. And so we’ve seen so many cases. You go through the world, everyone wakes up, starts their day, with the hope that the day will be good, with the hope that you will move through the world and get the things that you need to get done done. And there he visited a school where the students were then known as untouchables, now known as dalits. That’s one of the things that I retain from my years at The Times, is I never talk about what I’m working on. It fell to them in order to do that. It is a form of the tax. And it became a bipolar system of power and control, in which anyone who arrived to this country from outside of the poles of this hierarchy had to find a way of where did they fit in. He’s clearly in a hurry. Yes, that’s true. So the fact that our country will not even have been a free and independent nation for as long as slavery lasted, that’s how long it lasted, that it won’t be till next year, in our lifetimes. And it took all that I could do just to present the report. Why does that not happen here, from your perspective? We’re not on the same page with our history. You’re going about your day and you’re reminded. I actually was taken to that site by a friend who wanted to make sure I could see it. kara swisher I’m Kara Swisher, and you’re listening to “Sway.” My approach is simple. We still live with the after effects of it, how it is not this ancient, long ago single chapter in our country’s history. Which I think most people agree with. This is a phenomena. It’s a power structure. They had a whole issue around Hitler’s bunker, which was near there. Or click h… SHARE. ‎A mob stormed Washington and Twitter locked the account of a president who helped incite this violence. If you were part of the dominant caste, part of the dominant group, it accorded all the rights and privileges of that dominant group. Still, it’s a rapidly growing space for big media personalities who want to reach their audience directly. And the issue of class, you could say there are three out of many ways that a society can decide the different aspects of identity. On "This Week" Kara Swisher discusses the banning of Pres. I only came to looking at Germany after Charlottesville, because it was there that we saw the conflation of, the merging of these symbols from across time and across the ocean of the Confederacy and of Nazi Germany. It could not be touched by hands of different races, which speaks to one of the pillars of caste that I identified and described, which is purity versus pollution, where the untouchables, what were formerly known as untouchables, now known as Dalits, were policed and carefully watched and punished for any breach of what’s viewed as purity pollution. Chief Executive John Poulos says it’s the “first step” in the voting machine company’s efforts to counter a “malicious campaign of lies” spread by right wing media outlets and members of Donald Trump's inner circle.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher. No.”On this episode of “Sway,” Kara Swisher asks Mr. Khosrowshahi about the plight of drivers and restaurant owners, and whether Uber is part of the “menace economy.”You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher. We saw people climbing walls to get into the Capitol, attacking police officers. I have —. There was never a true addressing of what had happened. As of right now, Washington is on … Listen and subscribe. As President Joe Biden said in his inaugural address, “We must end this uncivil war that pits red against blue, rural versus urban, conservative versus liberal.” It was nice to hear. But there’s another popular platform that markets itself as the destination for free speech: Substack.With more than 250,000 unique individuals paying for the newsletters on its platform, Substack is a lot smaller than Twitter or Facebook. It became the tool, the signifier, the signal of one’s place in the hierarchy. And then and only then can you begin to even think about crafting a plan for moving forward. Let’s talk a little bit about how you demolish the idea of caste. I am worthy of love. It’s labor. Kara's bias is so on her shirt sleeve its laughable. Anna Wintour on the Kamala Harris Vogue Cover. Bryan Cranston has built his reputation playing powerful men, from President Lyndon B Johnson to Breaking Bad's Walter White to Your Honor's Michael Desiato. He had to think about the fact that there were, at that very moment, Black people in the United States who he was advocating for, at that very moment, the majority of them were not being permitted to vote. Right now we can see it. And what they’ve done is they’ve paved over it. We have seen riot police flanked and in position in anticipation of an outbreak. Still a caste system invisibly underneath, just with their classifications. And then one of the places that we see it manifesting is, of course, longevity and health itself. No one else has come. Wintour said in a follow-up statement to "Sway," “Obviously we have heard and understood the reaction to the print cover and I just want to reiterate that it was absolutely not our intention to, in any way, diminish the importance of the vice president-elect’s incredible victory.”In an exclusive interview on this episode of "Sway," Ms. Wintour discusses the magazine cover, diversity concerns at Condé Nast, the future of the fashion industry — and whether Jeff Bezos could be the next Anna Wintour.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher. You don’t use the word racism much. On this episode of Sway, the Tony and Emmy-winning actor breaks down his method, the motivations behind the larger-than-life men he plays and why he draws the line at playing the Scarecrow in Wizard of Oz or the President currently in the White House.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher. And I think that that moment has forced us into a karmic reckoning that is long overdue. It’s 2018 and two years into the Trump administration. But Donald Trump and his supporters still have an effectively unregulated safe space: Parler. And if you multiply this times, you know, tens of thousands of times a day, when some assumptions about another individual impedes the ability for something to happen in our society, impedes a transaction, impedes an interview, impedes something that really truly needs to happen and it doesn’t happen, how do you even begin to measure the cost, not just to the individual who is suffering, but also to the entire society, all the things that don’t get done, all the missed opportunities because of these assumptions and stereotypes that are all an inheritance of the original caste system that predated our country. Is it lack of memory? And that sparked my interest to look and see what had Germany done in the years since the war. We would never expect that there would be a single pill for a cancer diagnosis. There are markers and reminders everywhere in that city, in addition to the stumbling stones, which beckon in front of the last known residence of the individuals who perished in the Holocaust. That’s a perfect way to end. — that in the current day anyone would believe that. That is why you can have, in a country such as Germany, all of the markers that — like you said, the bullet holes that have been kept for a reason to remind people, to not forget what happened. tsutomu 2021年1月11日 ‘Sway’ podcast host Kara Swisher discusses Twitter, Facebook banning Trump | ABC News 2021-01-11T03:49:41+09:00 ABC News Add to favorites On “This Week” Kara Swisher discusses the bans of President Donald Trump’s social media accounts. So a lot of people have said this week, this is not our country. And I said, now it’s well past the time. It was created. But other than that, there are just cars parked over what had been a bunker. A Black and Asian Female V.P. And they connected their system of hierarchy to our own. Kara Swisher has been called the most feared and well-liked journalist in Silicon Valley. Your book is a phenomena. Ever — well, keep that policy then. So I had to write the piece without him. We release every Monday and Thursday. kara swisher. And I had made a call with several people in order to interview them for a story that was a pretty standard story and had no trouble all day with all the people I’d interviewed, until I got to the last interview. Copyright © 2020 Apple Inc. All rights reserved. The February cover of Vogue featuring Vice President-elect Kamala Harris kicked off a controversy involving the most powerful woman in fashion and the soon-to-be most powerful woman in the White House. One of the things that really — part of your book that’s gotten a lot of attention is when you’re having coffee with your friend, historian Taylor Branch. But your book argues that America is built on an invisible caste system. And it’s the same thing here. One of the things that was really interesting is they had Potsdamer Platz. It was not natural. Well, first of all, any society, any hierarchical society can use any number of metrics, arbitrary metrics to rank people in a caste system. And most people don’t know because we don’t learn this in school. They paid reparations for the Holocaust, the Germans did. In every way, they were being held the lowest rung of the American hierarchy. It has consequences in how people vote, what policies they support, who people hire, who is granted mortgages, who can be assaulted by authorities with impunity, all of the things that we’ve talked about. John Poulos is the C.E.O. And that is what the outcome of these elections seem to be telling us. So talk about that difference, because the police handled the Black Lives Matter protests over the summer very differently. Will It Kill Restaurants? Every Monday and Thursday, from Ne… And it was fascinating to watch, compared to the Confederate monuments debate. She knew the language. So this has continued to the current day. They could not even be, some of them, within 96 paces of a dominant caste person. I shouldn’t have to show you ID. 00:20:17 - This week, Kara Swisher interviewed WarnerMedia’s chief executive, Jason Kilar, fresh on the heels of the announcement that Warner Bros. will releas… And then class becomes, essentially, the outward — the things that we add to ourselves — clothes, the dictions, the accents, education, all the things that we do have some control over that we can use to try to adjust what we might have been born to in our society. Why do you think there’s a need for this human classification? Because you have said that Germany had dismantled, officially vanquished caste. And she still was not getting the care that she deserved. Can you talk a little bit about how it’s affected you? That will not happen until the year 2111, 2111. They could not drink from the same cups. I think one reason it hasn’t caught on is because it has generally remained in the purview of the academy. It didn’t matter what his bearing was. 'Sway' podcast host Kara Swisher discusses Twitter, Facebook banning Trump January 10, 2021, 4:08 AM On "This Week" Kara Swisher discusses the … You could use religion. It’s kind of a conversation that I think scholars have primarily been having with one another. And in everyday ways, the idea that there’s this belief that people in the medical establishment still hold study after study after study, shows that medical professionals still believe the fallacy that Black and brown people do not experience pain in the same way that their white counterparts do. It may have looked like a different century, but it is our century. And they were at the very bottom. So this affects how people are treated when they get into the system. I appreciated hearing Parler's point of view. But how can we forget January. New York Times Contributing Opinion Writer and "Sway" podcast host Kara Swisher says social media companies get engagement through enragement. This is a reminder that history is still with us. That was fine, no trouble. You are forced to have to think about, what is it that just happened. It’s the surgeon and all the other people who come in, the other physicians who come in and actually look more closely at it to look at all the things that need to be done in order to fix what is gone wrong. And I said, well, put it in a museum then. And beyond that, they also do things like leave bullet holes in certain buildings, which I think is important, you talked about in your book. Stop the steal! I would never, ever give predictions. Lyndon Johnson, right. And he said to himself, I am an untouchable. Now it feels hopeful. She spoke the code. It’s necessary to know the history. Special thanks this episode to Liriel Higa and Kathy Tu. And I saw instantly the people assigned to the subordinated caste for 400 years, since before there was the United States, still consigned to their historic role of serving and cleaning up after those who had been programmed to see themselves as dominant and superior and supreme. When it was all over, shattered glass and broken furniture littered the building. Special thanks to Shannon Busta, Liriel Higa, and Kathy Tu. But it is ours. It was a world where there was a Black Bible and altogether separate white Bible to swear to tell the truth on in court. And they were received as visiting dignitaries. “Sway” is a new interview show hosted by Kara Swisher, “Silicon Valley’s most feared and well liked journalist.” Now taking on Washington, Hollywood and the world, Kara investigates power: who has it, who’s been denied it, and who dares to defy it. It was mostly white people who did this. And yet in the hierarchy in which we live, it cannot be assumed that you will just move about your day and there will not be some intrusion of caste, as I describe it. SHARE. We have seen, in so many of the peaceful protests for basic human rights, protesting against police brutality, we have seen tanks rolled out, for example, after Ferguson. You describe a Black tax on caste. And one of the examples that stands out to me, of course, is when I was a national correspondent for The New York Times, and just going about my work of interviewing people. They learn the history and they know why it’s there. So let’s talk about how to dismantle caste then. Haberman and the NYT led the mainstream news pack that spent 4 years normalizing Trump’s lies and disinformation. And they were looking at the various ways of enforcement, the lynchings and others. Kara Swisher is a contributing Opinion writer and host of “Sway,” a new twice-weekly podcast. And then of course, he had to think about it. The randomness is quite —, Yeah, it’s the arbitrary nature of it. Sway will be published twice a week beginning the week of Sept. 21. What does a New York Times national correspondent look like? Well, I mean, I don’t know how anyone can say that after Jan. 6. This is Kara Swisher, and you found “Sway.” The new interview program from New York Times Opinion. Those who were at the bottom of it recognized the parallel condition of subjugation. It throws you off your course. EMAIL. Special thanks to Shannon Busta, Liriel Higa, and Kathy Tu. It was an astonishing stew of hatred, arrogance, and stupidity. It requires a closer examination, first recognizing our history, how did we get here. New episodes every Monday and Thursday. It’s a parking lot. I was having to describe an entire region where it was against the law, for example, in one of the states, for a Black person and a white person to merely play checkers together in Birmingham. I’m not saying you did. And I go up to him and he says, oh, I can’t talk to you right now. And he had always wished to go to India. Food Delivery Is Keeping Uber Alive. I don’t, so — I’ll say. They created their own classification system. It’s just the most mundane feature of an urban landscape that you could ever imagine. And there they were, laboring in their uniforms, bent over with mops and brooms and with masks over their faces. I’m The New York Times here to interview you. This week, Kara Swisher interviewed WarnerMedia’s chief executive, Jason Kilar, fresh on the heels of the announcement that Warner Bros. will release its 2021 film slate in theaters and on its streaming site, HBO Max, simultaneously. You could use place of origin. He and his wife, Coretta Scott King, went to India. Right, you can bring it up around COVID, too, in terms of essential workers actually being sacrificial workers, Black patients being denied painkillers because of stereotypes about their pain tolerance, COVID disproportionately affecting African-Americans. If you like this interview and want to hear others, hit Subscribe. And he said, well, do you have a business card to prove that you’re with The New York Times? Every Monday and Thursday, from New York Times Opinion Audio. Every Monday and Thursday, from New York Times Opinion Audio. We should have been interviewing right now instead of standing here. And the response in Congress by the Republicans — let’s move on. Sure, certainly. I am good. Power, unpacked. I mean, caste is about structure. And it took what would be neutral characteristics otherwise, neutral characteristics that would just be part of the range of human manifestation, and turn that into a new designation, a new way of ranking and categorizing people known as race. But once it’s over, is there a topic you really want to delve into? But it was a real big debate in Germany at the time. It’s like holding up an X-ray of our country. More with Isabel Wilkerson after the break. A mob of pro-Trump extremists clashed with Capitol Police. And the idea of race is actually quite flexible and fungible. All right, perfect. It’s the visible manifestation of the structure that undergirds whatever we might be able to see. According to people familiar with the matter on both sides, although there had been no contractual cover approval agreement in place, the cover image was not what the vice president-elect’s team had expected. And then that, of course, we know, in the compromise, that signaled the end of Reconstruction, and thus, there was never a true reconciliation. It was a really fascinating conversation. Looking at what happened at the Capitol, do you have an answer now? 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